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Comment by Umbra Immortalis on October 4, 2011 at 3:35am

93. Glad to have found this group. 93, 93/93

Comment by Fr. Perseverabo on July 18, 2011 at 12:10pm

That seems to be the point Mosby.  Magick is not some mystical force that you have to petition, it is the core of every action we do.  There is a science to it.

 

1) Every intentional act is a Magickal act.

(Illustration: See "Definition" above.)

By "intentional" I mean "willed". But even unintentional acts so seeming are not truly so. Thus, breathing is an act of the Will to Live.

2) Every successful act has conformed to the postulate.

3) Every failure proves that one or more requirements of the postulate have not been fulfilled.

(Illustrations: There may be failure to understand the case, as when a doctor makes a wrong diagnosis, and his treatment injures the patient. There may be a failure to apply the right kind of force, as when a rustic tries to blow out an electric light. There may be failure to apply the right degree of force, as when a wrestler has his hold broken, There may be failure to apply the force in the right manner, as when one presents a cheque at the wrong window of the Bank. There may be failure to employ the correct medium, as when Leonardo da Vinci saw his masterpiece fade away. The force may be applied to an unsuitable object, as when one tries to crack a stone, thinking it a nut.)

 

4) The first requisite for causing any change is thorough qualitative and quantitative understanding of the conditions.

(Illustration: The most common cause of failure in life is ignorance of one's own True Will, or of the means to fulfill that Will. A man may fancy himself a painter, and waste his life trying to become one; or he may really be a painter, and yet fail to understand and to measure the difficulties peculiar to that career.)

 

5) The second requisite of causing any change is the practical ability to set in right motion the necessary forces.

(Illustration: A banker may have a perfect grasp of a given situation, yet lack the quality of decision, or the assets, necessary to take advantage of it.)

 

The list goes on hereif you would like to read it.

 

Understand?

Comment by Mosby (Witchlet) on July 16, 2011 at 12:20am

That still sounds like the definition of magic to me hahaha just another method of making it happen. instead of chanting a spell you focus a whole lot..or am I missing the point?

Comment by Fr. Perseverabo on July 10, 2011 at 11:00pm

"the Science and Art of causing Change to occur in conformity with Will."

 

Asking someone for a glass of water is magick.  Asking someone where the bathroom is, is magick.  (mundane examples, but it is the core of every action man does.)  Crowley's systems incorporate the ability to be aware enough to direct the forces presented to you so one may obtain the desirable outcomes so long as it is not in opposition to ones great work.

Comment by Fr. Perseverabo on July 10, 2011 at 10:57pm

FYI, 777 is a book of correspondences, utterly lame and non-significant to you if you don't work in the hermetic systems.  I would not suggest starting with it, but it does make a great addition once you implement parts of the system.

Comment by Fr. Perseverabo on July 10, 2011 at 10:56pm

Ones true will is the inner most nature of your being, not magick.  Magick can certainly help you discover and accomplish your true will though, but it's not necessary.  Magick is defined below basically as any action that can successfully create a desired change.

Comment by Mosby (Witchlet) on July 10, 2011 at 10:09pm

One's true will can be the magic then? Hmmm

Comment by Satori on July 10, 2011 at 8:53pm

Well as far as I know I would say it's about finding one's True Will which I have seen to referred to as the Great Work. 
Crowley describes Magick as "the Science and Art of causing Change to occur in conformity with Will." Learning to focus one's Will to cause change. 
But there is probably a great deal more that can be said to answer those two questions. Specifically the "how this is all applied" I find to be a very wide question. I would suggest you visit thelema.org - you may find some answers to your questions.
Quoting from thelema.org:
"...the College of Thelema seeks to guide the student to an understanding of the Law of Thelema. Most especially, this means a deeper understanding of oneself and of one's True Will."

Comment by Mosby (Witchlet) on July 10, 2011 at 8:14pm

Ok so what exactly do you do with this system??? Thelema and thee numbers and all that, how is it all applied?

Comment by Satori on July 10, 2011 at 8:07pm

Hello :D I have not been very active with the Crowley readings lately however I did come across an interesting book a few days ago which is heavily influenced by him.

As Fr. Perseverabo suggested Liber AL vel Legis aside with The Law is for All would be a good start. I plan on reading these two followed by Magick Without Tears soon. I like the idea of a reading-group. We could start a discussion thread on any specific book we are reading and anyone who is also reading it or has already read it can add to it. This would also suit those who come and go as they can leave a piece of their mind when they drop by ;D

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