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Effective Ritual Work
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Permalink Reply by Vickie Looney on -
Okay let me see if i got what you are saying... use all your senses in a ritual and it will be easier to maintain focus.... And when first learning about ritual this is especially important but advanced practitioners speak of being able to do all the steps in mind only and keep focus. I have never been that good but it does explain why those of us with ADD or ADHD can be helped by regular ritual practice. Now what i need the most help with I know only i can fix and it is making myself keep up with regular practice. Any advice on that would be also appreciated.
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Permalink Reply by Fr. Perseverabo on
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Vickie: I do not have ADHD but I am a ceremonial magician which means repetition is key in my work. Generally if you can structure your ritual to that of an every day occurrence you may have success. For example I set my ritual to the course of the Sun. I wake up at dawn and do the Lesser Invoking Ritual of the Pentagram followed by Liber Resh. At noon I do Liber Resh and dusk I do Liber Resh and at midnight I do Liber Resh and the Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram.
So I make it a part of my daily routine and I have success with it. Determination is key, you must MAKE your body respect your mind, you must control it.
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Permalink Reply by Ralakk Majere on -
I kind of look at this a little bit differently I suppose. I see the ritual as a method of sending "messages" so to speak to the subconscious. In the end however the effect is the same. Make your rituals so that every aspect of the rituals pertains to the spell and keeps the mind focused on the desired result at hand.
I would like to reinforce the idea that with colors for example, different colors mean different things to different people and it would be a good idea for everyone to figure out which color best represents the desired goal themselves. PERSONALLY I hate having people use the prearranged color combinations that the majority of people use and encourage each person to select their own colors. For example many people use black for working with negativity (either by asbsorbing or producing negativity) I don't think of black as negativity but as offensive (not necessarily negative) on the other hand my mind shifts on occasion and when I'm practicing more oriental inspired works such as the Kuji-In or the Kuji-Kiri I will often use black to symbolize knowledge because in oriental mindsets that's what black means while white signifies ignorance. On the other hand white is usually used for influencing positive energy, and in my case for defending, shields, and wards.
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Permalink Reply by Fr. Perseverabo on
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I don't disagree with you at all.
Ralakk Majere said:
I kind of look at this a little bit differently I suppose. I see the ritual as a method of sending "messages" so to speak to the subconscious.
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Permalink Reply by Ralakk Majere on
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Alright since you don't disagree yet what about this. There are certain things which can be used in spells which have completely different affects. Herbs, Stones, Runes, etc. many of these are considered to have their own energies (or they focus energies towards a specific purpose or they draw in energies towards a specific purpose etc. ). When you start adding these types of things to spell works one cannot only rely on what "feels" right. For example, just because dragon's blood smells a certain way and puts you in the thought of a certain idea doesn't mean you should use if for that idea since that idea runs counter to the actual energies of the herb.
I suppose you could, in the above case, use a synthesized version of the dragon's blood scent so you could apply that idea in your mind through the olefactory perceptions without actually bringing in the energies that dragon's blood brings to the table.
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Permalink Reply by Fr. Perseverabo on
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I believe most properties are based on the individuals perception of them. For an extreme example, if one was under the false impression that God "A" was actually God "B", one could call upon the wrong God and still get an effective result. I believe firmly in an archetypal system, so the power of the meaning is up to the individual.
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Permalink Reply by Ralakk Majere on
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I tend to agree reguarding the god idea. . . . i think. . . actually that's going to take some internal debate and some removal of narnian ideas.
I disagree where it applies to herbs since I use an energy model of magic which implies herbs are not functional based on individual perceptions but based on actual intrinsic properties of the herb itself. The same applies to runes because of the influence of belief of others on each rune. And on stones as well I think.
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Permalink Reply by Fr. Perseverabo on
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Herbs are a bit of a different story as they have actual medicinal properties. If one takes cayenne pepper in the same manner as Lavender because he believes they will do the same thing, he is in for a surprise. The same goes for external usage as well. By burning medicinal contents you are doing a physical alteration, that of alchemy and the properties within the herb are not up to ones perception as to how they work.
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Permalink Reply by Shawn on -
The medicinal use of an herb does not always correspond to its metaphysical use. Sometimes this is the case, while other times it is purely a matter of how the subconscious perceives it.
If you know the medicinal uses of blackberry thorns, it means something to you. If I do not, then the physical properties mean a lot more, the fact it is tough and pointy, etc.
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Permalink Reply by Fr. Perseverabo on
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Everything has a magical property, either stronger than our ability to assign it our own or weaker than our ability to assign it our own. An wand made from elder wood for example, if we do not have any idea of its magical properties then we can very easily assign it our own with very little resistance. The only exception is when you understand a property such as elder to already mean something you will struggle to assign it your own property as you already know it has one (you already granted it). On the other hand, sometimes there is a magical property well beyond our ability to give it our own such as poison ivy. This herb has a property that is going to have an effect no matter what you assign it, so you are required if you are to grant it any property beyond its natural one, it must be cohesive to its natural property.