Work in Progress for Recons and Trads


Work in Progress for Recons and Trads

This group is for people interested in more information on non-eclectic paths. These can include all Reconstructionist religions as well as witchcraft traditions such as BTW.

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1. In this particular group please expect that all answers will be given according to historical, anthropological, or traditional information. Anything that is outside of this, often labeled UPG, should be noted as such before hand to avoid confusion.

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Comment by Bryn Judysdottir on August 6, 2017 at 19:58

Bumping this up so folks can see it. :p

Comment by Callisto on April 7, 2015 at 14:37

That's an excellent idea, don't want to use too much yeast and end up like Lucy & Ethel just before festival: XD

Comment by Callisto on April 7, 2015 at 14:15

Yeah, the obelias would have had some leavening agent. I searched around, and there are quite a few breads that are similar. There's a Hungarian bread called Kürtőskalács, I found an article on it indicating it descends from obel cakes, and there's a pic by a researcher who recreated an obel cake:

Modern names for similar smaller loafs are campfire bread, twist bread and stick bread, of which breadsticks seem to be a miniature version. Australians have a soda bread called damper that's obel like when cooked outdoors, it's made with leavening or self-rising flour:


Comment by Callisto on April 7, 2015 at 12:50

Do you mean to make similar to griddle cakes/pancakes? The type of bread Holly inquired about would have been more of a loaf/phallic than a flat bread or a disc shaped bread. I think the obelias was more of a raised bread, though the baking over embers similar to the technique shown in the bannock link.

Comment by Callisto on April 7, 2015 at 11:50

@ Holly... I don't know of a specific recipe, most of what's known of Greek recipes comes from descriptions like Athenaeus' Deipnosophistae.  However the Greeks were known for their breads of which they had a wide variety. They're also credited for influencing the Roman's consumption and subsequent bread recipes. There are Roman recipes from sources like Apicius that would give indication of what was comparable among the Greeks, certainly during the time of the Roman Empire.

Obel refers to how the bread was made (and possibly after the obol coin). Basically it was a bread made by wrapping the dough around a spit to create the loaves. Breads were commonly made of wheat and/or barley. White wheat flour was highly valued. Other common baking ingredients were water, milk, honey, and olive oil. The Greeks also made sourdough breads. Yeast was made from wine must, though that's hard to come by today unless you make it yourself, most practitioners just rely on common yeast packets. (However I did find a recipe for wine yeast.)  A Roman recipe for Glykinai (wine bread) using boiled wine must ("caroenum") can be found here.

I would say most practitioners today who bake either bake honey cakes or a basic bread recipe.  You can make the loaves in a bread pan, twisting them to resemble the ancient obel cakes. If you're keen to attempt replicating making them on an open flame and a spit, you can get some idea of how to do it reading these examples of baking bannock on a stick over a campfire or for making a chimney cake.

Comment by the horned mod, crununos on April 6, 2015 at 15:27

... just popping in real quick-like to add this for ya holly/edan (if interested), re-posted also in the WiP on WT just in case it's not seen here... ... holly, came across this, which i'm sure that callisto may be able to further make comment on perhaps ? ... pg 5 of the document starts the description ya seek i -think- .....

Comment by Holly on April 3, 2015 at 16:50

Does anybody know where I can find a recipe for "obel bread"?  It's a bread that was carried in a procession for Dionysus.  Callisto maybe?

Comment by Holly on April 3, 2015 at 15:24

Hi guys, I've been away for a while.  Sorry about being a wallflower but college and family obligations are taking up a lot of my time.  I do still check in from time to time.  We're also reading The Iliad in my Lit class right now, so I am still getting some research done.  I'd read bits and pieces before, but it is a pretty amazing piece of poetry.  I'm enjoying it immensely.  Just wanted to let everyone know that I am still around.  Hope to be able to be more active soon.  

Comment by Callisto on April 2, 2015 at 16:32
To add to what Edan said about not being a wallflower: it's necessary for members to be active so the group mods can be helpful. If members don't speak up, ask questions and initiate topics of interest, we can't know what you want or interests you the most. For us to post a lot of page articles and try discussions we think people might or should be interested in is to spend a lot of time and effort on guesses and no idea if it's what anyone want, or has even used.

One common thing between modern polytheistic and neopagan paths is that people need to be proactive otherwise groups, online and IRL, die. That's a fact, the grave yard of long dead groups here is an example. These are not paths wherein you show up and to sit passively while others step up and entertain. If everyone did that, there'd be no one to step up. Learning a path isn't like sitting showing up to a lecture hall and listening to someone drone on at length on topics of his choosing and regardless of whether anyone is learning, much less learning what they need when they need it. And with that, I'll step down from the lectern now. :)
Comment by Bryn Judysdottir on September 25, 2014 at 14:33
Great to hear from you, Amara. :) How's school treating you?


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