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And this is why I love you Le…

2012-01-29T12:52:02.557Z

And this is why I love you Leisha!!!

Leisha said:

What's really sad is that if this person had stuck around to talk, there might have been some potential for discourse, and possibly even potential for revision of definitions. Unfortunately, when someone comes in, tries to name drop and brag about credentials that don't matter to any of us, and then leaves the building, there's no room for discourse.

One teacher of mine once said that if you have to preface a statement by saying that "no disrespect was intended", your subconscious actually does want to be disrespectful and your following words will be ones lacking in respect. Although I'm not sure that's true 100% of the time, it does seem to be the case more often than not.

But I do give great credit to this site and the energy therein that a potential troll was nipped in the bud without anyone having to deal directly with it. Cheers to one and all!

Thanks for the update in the…

2012-01-28T00:44:45.712Z

Thanks for the update in the definitions, Lark. Anything that brings greater clarity and concise information to the community is appreciated.

The greatest challenge with j…

2012-01-20T18:56:11.296Z

The greatest challenge with jousting with a fraudnerian, using the truth, is that the next time the fraudnerian makes claims, they will incorporate the truth that you have provided them with. It seems best to let them sit and spin...or leave.

Ahh yes Leisha. ;) I'm not su…

2012-01-20T17:42:15.439Z

Ahh yes Leisha. ;)

I'm not sure if I would want to be a member of a community whose creator causes discord within other communities. That speaks volumes now doesn't it? I must admit a clever little way to hide a plug. ;)

Cheers!

Leisha said:

What's really sad is that if this person had stuck around to talk, there might have been some potential for discourse, and possibly even potential for revision of definitions. Unfortunately, when someone comes in, tries to name drop and brag about credentials that don't matter to any of us, and then leaves the building, there's no room for discourse.

One teacher of mine once said that if you have to preface a statement by saying that "no disrespect was intended", your subconscious actually does want to be disrespectful and your following words will be ones lacking in respect. Although I'm not sure that's true 100% of the time, it does seem to be the case more often than not.

But I do give great credit to this site and the energy therein that a potential troll was nipped in the bud without anyone having to deal directly with it. Cheers to one and all!

Even so, the manner and the c…

2012-01-20T15:46:01.724Z

Even so, the manner and the constant use of "traditional witchcraft" as if the British version is the only one bearing the name, was horrendous. >_>

Lark said:

Yep, it is sad that they left so quickly, because I would tend to agree that the initial definition of British Traditional Witchcraft given by the OP is probably incorrect...as Persephone pointed out. British Traditional Witchcraft and British Traditional Wicca are not one and the same, at least in my opinion. While Wicca has its roots in British Traditional Witchcraft it expanded on that by using other resources as well. Perhaps we ought to go back and revamp the definitions a bit in a way that shows the differences.

Leisha said:

What's really sad is that if this person had stuck around to talk, there might have been some potential for discourse, and possibly even potential for revision of definitions. Unfortunately, when someone comes in, tries to name drop and brag about credentials that don't matter to any of us, and then leaves the building, there's no room for discourse.

One teacher of mine once said that if you have to preface a statement by saying that "no disrespect was intended", your subconscious actually does want to be disrespectful and your following words will be ones lacking in respect. Although I'm not sure that's true 100% of the time, it does seem to be the case more often than not.

But I do give great credit to this site and the energy therein that a potential troll was nipped in the bud without anyone having to deal directly with it. Cheers to one and all!

Yep, it is sad that they left…

2012-01-20T15:00:26.075Z

Yep, it is sad that they left so quickly, because I would tend to agree that the initial definition of British Traditional Witchcraft given by the OP is probably incorrect...as Persephone pointed out. British Traditional Witchcraft and British Traditional Wicca are not one and the same, at least in my opinion. While Wicca has its roots in British Traditional Witchcraft it expanded on that by using other resources as well. Perhaps we ought to go back and revamp the definitions a bit in a way that shows the differences.

Leisha said:

What's really sad is that if this person had stuck around to talk, there might have been some potential for discourse, and possibly even potential for revision of definitions. Unfortunately, when someone comes in, tries to name drop and brag about credentials that don't matter to any of us, and then leaves the building, there's no room for discourse.

One teacher of mine once said that if you have to preface a statement by saying that "no disrespect was intended", your subconscious actually does want to be disrespectful and your following words will be ones lacking in respect. Although I'm not sure that's true 100% of the time, it does seem to be the case more often than not.

But I do give great credit to this site and the energy therein that a potential troll was nipped in the bud without anyone having to deal directly with it. Cheers to one and all!

What's really sad is that if…

2012-01-20T14:10:46.287Z

What's really sad is that if this person had stuck around to talk, there might have been some potential for discourse, and possibly even potential for revision of definitions. Unfortunately, when someone comes in, tries to name drop and brag about credentials that don't matter to any of us, and then leaves the building, there's no room for discourse.

One teacher of mine once said that if you have to preface a statement by saying that "no disrespect was intended", your subconscious actually does want to be disrespectful and your following words will be ones lacking in respect. Although I'm not sure that's true 100% of the time, it does seem to be the case more often than not.

But I do give great credit to this site and the energy therein that a potential troll was nipped in the bud without anyone having to deal directly with it. Cheers to one and all!

My apologies no disrespect me…

2012-01-20T04:47:07.358Z

My apologies no disrespect meant, but I will be leaving this fine place. I felt upon finding this community friendships and networking (without spamming) would be nice but I run a community of approx. 1800 members, many British, German, Welsh and Scottish all well versed and they even know original British Traditionalist. One of my Admin. knows a Gardner original and your version of British Traditional doesn't quite fit.

Here is a description of British Traditional WitchCraft:

Popular Misconceptions about Traditional Witchcraft

Traditional witchcraft is neither a coven craft, nor a temple craft in the “old country”. As a nature based tradition its societies are tribal, hence the use of the term “Clan” or “Kindred”. However, in that sense the term “witchcraft” applies to the art of creative genius, just as much as psychic ability, in what one crafts. In essence, to transform an idea into physical reality with the utmost cunning and skill was considered a magical art, albeit farming, sword making, music, verse, healing, cleansing or even preparing food. A clan worked together, each of their own skill to the benefit of the whole. It was about improving the quality of an otherwise wretched struggle for survival. Thus, truly understanding the nature of traditional witchcraft begins with learning bush craft. It also helps us realize that our ancestors did not always have the convenience of books to guide them through this process, rather, passed on their experience or “kenning” through oral traditions of cleverly worded riddles or allegorical verse; that only one who had grown up in that environment could understand. This is why traditional witchcraft cannot be simply taught, rather must be experienced to even begin to understand this. It is not simply a practice, but a way of life.

Just the same, there is no initiation other than the “coming of age” traditions practiced by most tribal societies to this day. It is where youth is put to the test of its ability to survive on its own, in order to truly understand the needs of responsible adulthood. Under these conditions it was also where any exceptional skills amongst them usually became evident, and were singled out by the adept for special apprenticeship. A typical example of this in oral tradition is the story of Wieland the Smith.

http://fanzone50.com/Tales/Wieland.html

June Wharton (original member of Gardner) is still alive and in contact with a Freemason whom is my friend and she is his surrogate mother, she is in no way in line with many observations and teachings, so I take my leave and wish you adieu.

Again my apologies and hope for the best within your community.

Persephone

Thanks. That cleared up a lot…

2011-02-18T14:07:25.542Z

Thanks. That cleared up a lot of gray area for me.

For me BTW was an abbreviatio…

2011-02-10T20:55:43.073Z

For me BTW was an abbreviation of "by the way" till i said "btw" in chat and someone said "what about it?"

Thank you for the info :)